From:
moreferrets@home.com
Date: 2001-04-30 05:26:00 UTC
Subject: Re: Devil's Club Supreme
glad we finally have a difinitive opinion on that devil's club
stuff.
anyway...to the original poster: sorry, but i missed your original
post. i wanted to mention that i recently lost a critter - after the
longest battle i've been through with a ferret to date - to one
lonely pancreas tumor. he didn't respond to the meds either (pred
and proglycem). he was in such bad shape most of the time i thought
surgery would do him in...now in hindsight i think i should have gone
for the surgery - even if it did kill him, since obviously that's
what happened in the end anyway, know what i mean? since the meds
didn't help, perhaps removing that one tumor would have...no way to
tell, but hindsight tells me we had nothing to lose.
dr. williams, what's your opinion here? and i mentioned grover once
before in response to your comments about insulinoma not causing
nausea. grover would have spells where he couldn't keep anything
down for a few days. on "regular" days the noise (bowel sounds
amplified) was amazingly LOUD when he would try to eat. wouldn't
consistently low blood sugar cause a person or critter to feel
nauseaous (his sugar was routinely testing in the 50's and 40's), or
at least light-headed enough to then feel somewhat nauseaous?
--- In Ferret-Health-list@y..., williams@e... wrote:
> Dear Jeri:
>
> According to the literature on Devil's Club available (
> http://www.natmedpro.com/nmp/Oplopanax.htm
> <http://www.natmedpro.com/nmp/Oplopanax.htm> among others) this
product is
> "indicated" for diabetes due to it's hypoglycemic effect. This
would make
> it directly contraindicated for insulinoma, by making the blood
sugar even
> LOWER.
>
> This product, provided that it exerts the effects that it claims
to, would
> actually be DANGEROUS with ferrets with insulinoma and I must warn
against
> its use.
>
>
> With kindest regards,
>
> Bruce Williams, DVM, DACVP
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James L. Myers [mailto:jlmy@w...]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:35 AM
> To: Bruce Williams
> Subject: Devil's Club Supreme
>
>
> Hi Dr. Williams,
>
> Thank you for your reply to my e-mail about Devil's Club Supreme.
I had
> read about this product on either the FML or the
> FHL (can't remember which).
>
> They gave a site called: The New Rainbow Bridge which can be found
at:
> http://www.newrainbowbridge.com/htm
<http://www.newrainbowbridge.com/htm>
>
> Once there the info about the Devil's Club is under the "Other
Products"
> heading when you click on "Supplements".
>
> They call this product an herbal treatment for Insulinomas and they
preface
> it by saying that they are not veterinarians
> but are speaking about this product after their personal
experiences with it
> in their ferrets. (they run a ferret rescue)
>
> The instructions are to add five drops of the product to a mixture
of
> whatever mush type food you are feeding
> your ferret. They mention using 50% Hill's A/D and 50% water. Or,
you can
> make a soup from chicken baby food
> or even Nutrical and water. They say to give it every 12 hours and
that in
> most cases the ferret's blood sugar
> balances out within the first week or so. Of course, the
word "Most" is
> something to remember when using
> it with your precious ferret. But to me, when you have tried the
> conventional type medicine's such as Pedia Pred
> and Proglycem and the numbers stay low (in my ferrets case in the
low 60's)
> I feel it is worth a try.
>
> I am going to give you the ingredients as listed on the bottle that
I have
> ordered from this place. They are as
> follows:
> Proprietary Blend
> 40mg*
> Extracts from /DEVIL'S CLUB ROOT
> BARK (Oplopanax horridum), INDIAN JAMBUL
> SEED (Syzygium jambolanum), FRESH DANDELION LEAF
> AND ROOT (Taraxacum officinalis), UVA URSI LEAF
> (Arctostaphylos uva
> ursi), TURMERIC RHIZOME (Curcuma longa), SPRING
WATER and
> 45-55% pure GRAIN ALCOHOL USP.
> __________________________________________
> AVERAGE HERB STRENGTH RATIO: 1:1.5
> ___________________________________________
> *Daily Value Not Established
>
> Then they tell you that the: Fresh Dandelion Leaf and Root
is :Certified
> Organic
> Devils Club Root Bark and
the Uva
> Ursi Leaf are: Ecologically Wildcrafted
> Indian Jambul Seed is:
> Ayurvedically Cultivated
> Turmeric Rhizome is:
Jamaican
> Origin
>
>
> I hope this is not too much information Dr. Williams. :):):) This
product is
> also used on human's.
>
> Thank you for sharing your opinion with me after you have read this
info. I
> truly respect and value your knowledge
> about these wonderful critters!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeri (Mom to three precious furkids)
> Kodee Possum
> Bubba
> Winnie