Message Number: YG3101 | New FHL Archives Search
Date: 2001-04-30 14:34:00 UTC

--- In Ferret-Health-list@y..., "Bruce Williams, DVM" <williams@e...>
> --- In Ferret-Health-list@y..., "More Ferrets?!?"
> wrote:
> >
> > we both have digital cameras - doc and i. he took the photos of
> the x-rays with his digital (much better camera than mine) at my
> > request, since my attempts to photograph the underarm lump were
> pretty unsuccessful...i just couldn't get the lump to "appear" in
> > 3D.
> Sometimes large lumps image better when the hair is shaved. (OK,
> ok,. you don't have to shave him now, but perhaps later, if
remission does not occur, let's consider it for posterity.
way ahead of you there...already plan to do so when it won't bother
him. i planned to do that before the xray...might as well have both,
if only to show others what in the world i'm talking about. this
little guy is a hospice case; the owner (who only had him two months)
called several times until i said "get him over here." back to the
beginning, she had already taken him to a local hack who had proudly
proclaimed - officially, with tests! - that he did not, repeat NOT
have lymphoma. bah. big difference between that idiot and my vet
making a well educated guess at what exactly is causing the breathing
trouble, know what i mean? oh...and the first thing my vet did was
an aspirate. he got a "good sample/slide" and said there wasn't one
single normal looking cell on the whole slide - they were all sorts
of wacky.

> > > I'm not wishing to disagree with your vet here, but I'm just not
> > > seeing a large chest mass in these images...
> >
> > i don't think he'd think you were disagreeing with him...i think
> you just have to a) hear him breathing b) see the x-ray fresh and
> > in person and c) feel the critter. it's not so much he sees a
lump as he sees a slight narrowing of the trachea. combine the x-ray
> > with how he sounds and doc concluded that the trachea is being
> pushed on - but certainly he wasn't making a proclamation in blood,
> Sometimes you go with your gut. Anyone who has dealt with foreign
> bodies in ferrets knows the difficulty and pressures that sometimes
> goes with being the vet. This also sounds like one of those times.
yep...and really, it doesn't matter. we did the xray to see if
perhaps there was some fluid he could drain.

> > we were just trying to figure out how much misery he's in. he
> mentioned that the lungs look good - filling well with air - so
> > pressure on the trachea would be the most likely cause for how he
> sounds (like he's drowning). oh - and woody now sleeps with his
> > head propped up at a 90 degree angle where he is resting his chin
> only...he can't rest with any pressure on his lower neck at all.
> > > >
> > > > he's been on HIGH pred dose for two weeks now. he's also been
> > > through the first three days of luceran. 5 more days and he
can have the last 3 days of dosing. i'm still holding out for a
> remission, so i'm trying to make him comfy until i'm convinced this
isn't going to work. any suggestions on making him more comfortable
> (i doubt it)?
> > >
> > > Yes, there is very little to do to make him more comfortable -
> wihout
> > > surgical excision of the neoplasms that are impeding the
> breathing.
> > > Usually, after several days of high dose pred, the masses in
> steroid-
> > > responsive lymphomas become notceably, if not more, smaller.
> > > fact that these masses are not getting small is unfortunately,
> poor
> > > prognostic sign.
> >
> > yep, that's exactly what doc said. frankly i was really hoping
> at least finish up this luceran treatment...but i'm thinking
> > perhaps i'm being a bit too hopeful/selfish and should give up
> right quick. it's heartbreaking to see a 2 year old try so hard
> > STILL to investigate and be happy and playful, yet not have the
> energy after spending it all on sucking air...he's still so alert
> > and perky, just's just been remarkably difficult
> me to decide to give up. :( have you used luceran before?
> >
> Sorry, it's not in my repertoire. If he is still trying to
> investigate and be happy and pleyful, then it's not time just yet.
> Time is when it takes too much effort just to beithe and eat,a nd
> of the time in between is spent exhausted.
> > ooh - while i have you: i'm going to send clyde's tissue along
> you. i have photos as well. you mentioned that you were having
> > trouble with e-mail...i can print *decent* color prints of the
> photos, but i think yo
> That seems to be cleared up at the moment. High resolution digital
> images wil do quite well.

ok...i'll send those along with a simple title of "clyde's ick" and
put a note in the box with his history and so forth. i didn't have
doc write up a formal report since i figure you're savvy enough to
digest the pics, history and sample - and then ask him questions if
needed! ;)~


> With kindest regards,
> Bruce H. Williams, DVM, DACVP
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