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From: Michele Abel Focer
Date: 2001-05-06 01:06:00 UTC
Subject: [Ferret-Health-list] Digest Number 166

This is in response to the post about how adrenal ferret's fur feels
different. I noticed this too, I thought I was crazy! Even if they don't
lose their fur, it feels VERY soft, like a mink's fur! Three of mine went
through this "mink" stage.Possibly due to the rise in hormone levels?Or the
loss of some "guard hairs"? Happy ferret trails!!
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> 1. Teddy's progress
> From: "Chris & Dave Mathis, Oregon Ferret Shelter"
<slinky@t...>
> 2. Re Earliest Symptoms of Adrenal Disease
> From: dbooras@h...
> 3. costridium spores(sp?)
> From: sunnygumm@g...
> 4. chicken meal and chicken by products question
> From: maikeru207@y...
> 5. Re: Digest Number 161
> From: evansmomp@a...
> 6. Re: heat source after surgery
> From: "Mary Hart" <mary.hart1@b...>
> 7. Bob C: Catching Up
> From: RRC <rrc961@m...>
> 8. Chronic Diarea
> From: "Amy and Jim Robbin" <amyjimr@m...>
> 9. Re: Letter from a dismayed vet
> From: ifixrex2000@y...
> 10. treats for a ferret with insulinoma
> From: hyperrat@h...
> 11. Re: Food for Sick Ferrets
> From: katharine <shurcool@i...>
> 12. Re: Digest Number 162/Katharine on low protein for sick fer
> From: twpfi@a...
> 13. Re: Digest Number 162/Mike on low protein for ferrets
> From: twpfi@a...
> 14. Re: Digest Number 165/Katharine low protein
> From: twpfi@a...
> 15. Re: Digest Number 165/Rob
> From: twpfi@a...
> 16. Re: Food for Sick Ferret
> From: "Shelley Knudsen" <ferrets@t...>
> 17. RE: A/D protein level
> From: AFERRETVET@c...
> 18. Re: Re: Food for Sick Ferrets
> From: Pam Sessoms <pjdutche@e...>
> 19. necropsy results
> From: "Katie" <kctom@w...>
> 20. Rabies Vaccine
> From: FURBALL109@A...
> 21. Urgent Breeding Question
> From: "TANSY" <Tansy@p...>
> 22. For Dr. Burgess, Dr. Murray & other vets re: interpretation of
test results
> From: Outlaw50@a...
> 23. Re: Adrenal Tumor Study
> From: toucanvet@a...
> 24. Re: Urgent Breeding Question
> From: "Karen Purcell, DVM" <drkaren@w...>
> 25. Re:Rabies Vaccine
> From: "Karen Purcell, DVM" <drkaren@w...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:38:31 -0700
> From: "Chris & Dave Mathis, Oregon Ferret Shelter"
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> Subject: Teddy's progress
>
> I thought the group might be interested to hear about the latest progress
Teddy has made. Since the last update, I took Teddy back to the vet and we
decided to try cortizone. She is still suspecting IBS. I asked her about
putting him on a bland diet of IVD Pea and Duck. Well guess what! One
feeding and folks, we have normal stools! I am really delighted to say the
least. Teddy was so overjoyed he gave me one of his good chomps when I
washed off his legs from the pastey poops. So, hopefully, we are on the
right track and he will continue to progress in the right direction. Now to
just get him switched over to solid food.
> Chris
> Oregon Ferret Shelter
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:30:48 -0000
> From: dbooras@h...
> Subject: Re Earliest Symptoms of Adrenal Disease
>
>
> Rusty had adrenal surgery last year with no hair loss. Aggressive
> grooming of everyone else's ears was a big signal to me that something
> wasn't right as he had always been the "flower child" of the group.
> However, I also noted he was less active, was very itchy, and was
> making very frequent trips to the litter box as his prostate gland
> began to enlarge. Based on the above symptoms, my vet was fairly
> certain it was adrenal disease.
>
> I have had 2 ferrets with adrenal disease and I noticed that their fur
> feels different. I don't know the history of either of them as Rusty
> was found wandering and Cleo was passed around a few times before she
> came to me. When Cleo first got here a year ago, I just knew she was
> adrenal because of the feel of her fur, although she had no other
> symptoms. The vet wanted to wait on her to see if other symptoms
> developed. She had her surgery 2 weeks ago when she began to lose
> hair up her spine.
>
> Has anyone else noticed the different feeling of adrenal ferrets' fur?
>
> Donna
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:53:29 -0000
> From: sunnygumm@g...
> Subject: costridium spores(sp?)
>
> Could someome please give me info on clostridium? Does one ferret pass it
easily to another? How is it passed? I make sure to change the litter box
daily while they have diarrhea. Weasel's fecal showed the spores last week
and was put on flagyl for 2 weeks. Rascal & R.J. was put on it yesterday. I
talked to my vet on the phone and since we have been through this before,
called in a script for them. They all seem to be doing better. This happens
about once a year, for the last few years. Should they all be treated if
only one has symptoms? Or wait like I did until the other 2 got diarrhea
before treating? Is it odd that my cat had it the last 2 times the ferrets
did?(not this tim yet) They don't use the same litter box. Or am I way off
and it's caused by something else? I'm not good at this computer stuff and
didn't find anything in the archives.
> My vet is very good and I trust her judgement. She has done right adrenal
surgery on weasel and has given her 2 lupron shots now. Had her left removed
year earler. Almost died with right, reason for not wanting to do another
surgery. I just wanted to get other great ferret peoples opinions. Weasel
loves her and ran to her when she heard her voice when we went in. Thanks
for any information Eileen
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 06:08:07 -0000
> From: maikeru207@y...
> Subject: chicken meal and chicken by products question
>
> I thought I understood this until I read one of Dr Willard's previous
> posts. My understanding was that chicken meal did not contain
> feathers, but chicken by products did. According to Dr Willard, the
> chicken by products used to make Totally Ferret do not contain
> feathers.
>
> I'm just trying to avoid a food in which feathers count toward the
> total amount of animal protein.
>
> Is there a difference between the two? Does it mattter?
>
> Thanks, Michael
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 02:24:30 EDT
> From: evansmomp@a...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 161
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2001 2:01:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Ferret-Health-list@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>
> > Dear Priscilla:
> >
> > This is not a typical vaccine reaction, and although contemporaneous
> > with vaccination, this particular set of events, with a ferret being
> > normal and playing all day, and then spontaneously vomiting does not
> > sound like a reaction, even a delayed one. Most true vaccine
> > reactions involve significantly more symptoms, including prostration,
> > shock, or at a minimum, being abnormal after the vaccination. Do you
> > know what vaccine was used?
> >
> > I would also caution against removing food and water, especially
> > water from an animal who may be ill. Dehydrating the animal is an
> > added stress that it probably doesn't need.
> >
> >
> > With kindest regards,
> >
> > Bruce H. Williams, DVM, DACVP
> > Join the Ferret Health List at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-Health-list
> >
>
> Thank you very much for responding to my post everyone. Hopper seems to be
> doing fine now and has had no more episodes of vomiting. In fact his vet
> called me that morning before I contacted her about this to inquire about
how
> he was doing. That was nice and I appreciated it. I'm a bit indignant that
my
> children's doctor doesn't afford us the same courtesy. A few years ago I
had
> a vet for my ferrets who have since passed and he gave courtesy calls as
well.
> I have another concern about Hopper though. He is our 10 week old baby and
> weighs 1.5 lb.. It concerns me a bit when I pick him up and I can feel his
> ribs clearly. Is this normal for a kit? Also, when should I stop
moistening
> his food? I know these are probably simple questions but I want to find
out
> as much as I can about my fuzzies as I can so they will be well taken care
> of. Our pets are our family. My oldest son even calls them his brother and
> sisters.
> By the way, I didn't take Hopper's food and water away from him. I used
> common sense and let him be since he seemed fine. Maybe he was just
> overexcited and that upset his stomach.
>
> Priscilla, Hopper, Spike, and Strawberry with a dash of Evan and Eric
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> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:42:33 +0100
> From: "Mary Hart" <mary.hart1@b...>
> Subject: Re: heat source after surgery
>
> Sorry to be ignorant but please can you explain what a rice bag is and how
> you made it? I'm not familiar with the term here in the UK.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Mary
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>
> > Just this past month, we made rice bags, that can be put into the
> Micro-wave
> > and used on ill animals. We gave 10 of them to a mobile animal vet
> hospital.
> > They were very happy with them and had never used rice bags before. I
> also
> > have one of those disc that you can get and put in the micro-wave to be
> put
> > under sleep sacks to keep animals warm. Have used it often and ferrets
> have
> > had no problems with it. You just have to be careful and not get it to
> hot!
> >
> > Charleen Schuster and the WA Tails
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:19:45 -0500
> From: RRC <rrc961@m...>
> Subject: Bob C: Catching Up
>
> Sorry if anyone has asked questions that I have yet to answer. I'm in
> the middle of two projects; trying to get a paper out that needs review
> (which is taking MUCH longer than expected) and trying to finish a
> remodeling job on my basement that has put all my books and files in
> boxes under plastic (I'm installing a new digital darkroom, permanent
> photo corner [track lights, backdrop, etc.], AND new laboratory tables
> for my bone lab). Sadly, I haven't read many FHLs lately, and it if
> wasn't for a few people forwarding my sort of questions, I would have
> little idea of what was going on (I did hear about a wonderful genetics
> post I'll make sure to read!). So I am a little backed up on getting
> those teeth pictures posted, as well as the domestication and Star Gene
> posts. I WILL get to them, but I have to get that paper out first, AND I
> have to finish the basement because the ferrets want back in and I'm
> tired of stepping over the mansonite barrier. It could be lower except
> for that blasted Sorci who can leap tall barriers in a single bound. I
> got short legs, ok? I'm already talking soprano.
>
> Bob C
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:30:45 -0400
> From: "Amy and Jim Robbin" <amyjimr@m...>
> Subject: Chronic Diarea
>
> Hi folks. There have been some postings about diarrhea that hasn't
responded well to treatment. I also posted with the same problem and got no
response.
>
> One thing that I have discovered (or actually remembered from a past
experience) is that I changed foods to TF Senior. But there is also another
food that was recommended to me by a vet, it's not the best food in the
world but it is highly digestible. It's ProPlan Turkey and Barley recipe
which is designed for tricky digestive tracts. I've been using the mix and
all my guys poops are firmer and less seedy.
>
> Good luck and if anyone wants to share ideas, that would be great.
>
> Amy
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:45:38 -0000
> From: ifixrex2000@y...
> Subject: Re: Letter from a dismayed vet
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> --- In Ferret-Health-list@y..., "Bruce Williams, DVM" <williams@e...>
> wrote:
> > Tonight, I spent about an hour replying to a letter from a vet who
> > was dismayed (I hesitate to use the word angry, but it may be
> > appropriate) by a response from myself and another vet on this list
> > to a post from one of their clients, and the way that they were
> > apprised of it.
> >
> > While this is certainly not the first, nor the last time that I
> will
> > have found myself at odds with a practicing colleague, I must admit
> > that the circumstances of this particular event was not what I had
> > envisioned on the FHL.
> >
> > >
> > Bruce H. Williams, DVM, DACVP
>
>
> The internet has been an INVALUABLE source of information for me and
> my vet. You don't have to look far to find owners who have no idea
> what insulinoma or adrenal disease are getting a start on helping
> their animals. Good veterinarians must possess people skills and
> open minds. Their job is to help the animal as well as make the
> owner comfortable. What does it hurt (ego?) to discuss all the
> possibilites and options? If a vet is intimidated by what he/she
> might learn instead of being willing to consider the ideas and
> tremendous experience of others, then I'd definitely move on. I
> would not risk the health of my pet to preserve the ego of a vet.
> Professionals should expect to disagree and handle it appropriately.
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:21:54 -0000
> From: hyperrat@h...
> Subject: treats for a ferret with insulinoma
>
> hello all i hope this day finds you and your furries well.
> I am awaiting test results but it looks like my 4 yr old Sniper is
> showing signs of insulinoma and I was wondering if somenoe could help
> me out with suggestions for treats since I am laying off anything
> with sugar (ie ferretone,nutrical,etc. per vet's advice). So far the
> only thing I've found that he likes are the pounce tartar control
> treats for cats. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Hyper, Sniper and Levelor
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:00:37 -0400
> From: katharine <shurcool@i...>
> Subject: Re: Food for Sick Ferrets
>
> Just so I might be able to understand....my brain
> does not function well with these things. You
> should see me calculating drug dosages for
> wildlife. I do each one about 20 times to see if
> I keep getting the same answer <g>.
>
> Wouldn't 1 teaspoon of canned A/D have a whole lot
> less protein than 1 teaspoon of dry A/D??? I'm
> assuming this because of the water content in the
> canned. Pam, your explanation helped a great
> deal. And, I realize that an animal would eat
> much more quantity of something packed with water.
>
> A while back, I talked to my vet about changing my
> soup recipe to accomodate Champ's need for lower
> protein. I am using dry K/D as the base but am
> adding canned A/D. He thought this would be OK.
> Should I perhaps use canned K/D instead of
> A/D?????? Talk quick, I'll be making soup again
> soon <g>. I'm sure I can exchange the A/D.
>
> Katharine
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:49:35 EDT
> From: twpfi@a...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 162/Katharine on low protein for sick fer
>
> Always be careful when anyone, veterinarian or breeder or shelter
recommends
> a low protein for ferrets. Low protein for ferrets means anything less
than
> 32%. If the ferret has a kidney failure then that needs to be treated
> specifically not a general recommendation of "Low Protein."
> DR Tom Willard
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:59:14 EDT
> From: twpfi@a...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 162/Mike on low protein for ferrets
>
> Hills A/D is for cats. When was the last time anyone checked with the
Hills
> company to see if the cat A/D had been tested and works on ferrets? If
not,
> why not?
> Canned food is about 75% water. So on a dry matter basis, it contains 32%
> protein. And as I said previously that is definitely borderline low for
> ferrets. What about the extra vitamins, and minerals that are needed in a
> recovering or sick ferret. Does the A/D have extra? What about the
energy
> level. A recovering animal can have as much as a 200% increase in energy
> requirements over maintenance.
> Please, all of you veterinarians who routinely recommend "Low Protein"
foods
> or diet such as Hills A/D for ferrets please at least call Hills and find
out
> if they have tested it for ferrets. If you are recommending Eukanuba or
> Purina recovery diets please at least check with the manufacturers and see
> what they recommend for ferrets. That is what they can support with
research
> not how they feel.
> Sincerely,
> DR Tom Willard
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:20:03 EDT
> From: twpfi@a...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 165/Katharine low protein
>
> Katharine, you are right in the overall concept of protein levels. To
> compare foods of different moisture levels you divide the listed protein
> level by the percentage dry matter. This is obtained by subtracting the
> moisture or water from 100%. Yes, low protein from food meant for cats is
> not sound advice unless the person making the recommendation does their
> homework. Please see my previous post.
> Sincerely,
> DR Tom Willard
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:22:23 EDT
> From: twpfi@a...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 165/Rob
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> That's it Rob.
> DR Tom Willard
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> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:03:39 -0500
> From: "Shelley Knudsen" <ferrets@t...>
> Subject: Re: Food for Sick Ferret
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm sure Dr. Willard can answer this much better, but I am looking at
Hill's Guide to Nutrition, which breaks down all of their foods in detail.
According to this book, the label guarantees are either maximums or
minimums. It says the average protein percent of canned A/D is 10.5%, and
the average protein percent of feline K/D is 8.4%. It doesn't say exactly
what the water percentage is, but I have noticed that A/D is much more
watery than most canned foods. The book also gives a translation to dry
matter for the canned foods. In the case of A/D, it translates to 45.7%
protein, and in the case of K/D it translates to 29.5% protein. I don't
completely understand how it translates (even though I had a class over
this), but I'm sure Dr. Willard can explain it. Hope this helps somewhat.
>
> Dooks to your fuzzies,
> Shelley Knudsen
> Class of 2004 KSU Veterinary College
> ferrets@k... sknudsen@v...
> http://www.tcgcs.com/~ferrets
> 402-463-0190 785-776-5618
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> "There ain't no limit in this life to how far you can get,
> but if you're going all the way, you gotta break a sweat."
> - Chad Brock
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:20:20 EDT
> From: AFERRETVET@c...
> Subject: RE: A/D protein level
>
> Lets review the math on the A/D can food.
> "As is" protein 8.5%, moisture content 78%.
> On a "dry matter" basis 8.5 divided
> by 22 = 38.6% protein on a dry matter basis.
> (I think Dr Willard divided 8 by 25 to get his 32%)
> This would be roughly equal to a 35% protein content
> of a dry food with 10% moisture content. This is similiar
> to most ferret and kitten foods.
> The fat content on A/D is 5.25% "as is". Thus 5.25 divided by
> 22 = 24% fat on a dry matter basis. Again similiar to or slightly
> higher than most ferret and kitten foods.
> The Eukanuba recovery food "feline maximum calorie"
> dry form contains 38% protein, 25% fat, and not more than
> 10% moisture. Again similiar to or higher than most ferret
> and kitten foods. The can form contains an "as is" protein
> of 14%, 12% fat, and a moisture content of 66%. The "dry
> matter" protein would be 14 divived by 34 = 41% protein.
> The dry matter fat would be 12 divived by 34 = 35% fat.
> The protein would be similiar to or higher than most
> protein levels in ferret or kitten foods. The fat level would be
> higher than most ferret or kitten foods and would provide those
> extra calories for recovery.
> I do not feed, recommend, or have the numbers for any of the
> Purina special diets.
> Hope that clears up the confusion,
> Jerry Murray, DVM
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Pam Sessoms <pjdutche@e...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Food for Sick Ferrets
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2001, katharine wrote:
> > Wouldn't 1 teaspoon of canned A/D have a whole lot
> > less protein than 1 teaspoon of dry A/D??? I'm
> > assuming this because of the water content in the
> > canned.
>
> Yes, you're right, in terms of the number of grams of protein that will be
> in each teaspoon. I actually have never seen dry a/d, but that would be
> true.
>
> > And, I realize that an animal would eat
> > much more quantity of something packed with water.
>
> That's the key.
>
> My critters don't actually eat too terribly many kibbles at one sitting,
> but they'll drink vast quantities of soups. My old lady Sonic currently
> won't eat dry food at all, but I make her a soup of mostly TF Senior, and
> she drinks tons of it. When she starts to pork out too much, I start
> making it extra watery, so she'll fill up faster on the water but won't
> have so much actual food in her belly...
>
> And it's that dry-matter percentage that really matters, if I understand
> correctly, for trying to help out a diseased kidney. I imagine it
> wouldn't really matter, kidney-wise, whether wet or dry is going down,
> just what the phosphorous is and what the protein percentages (when
> normalized to dry matter basis) are. Water will be added or taken away by
> the body, depending on what needs happen.
>
> > A while back, I talked to my vet about changing my
> > soup recipe to accomodate Champ's need for lower
> > protein. I am using dry K/D as the base but am
> > adding canned A/D. He thought this would be OK.
> > Should I perhaps use canned K/D instead of
> > A/D?????? Talk quick, I'll be making soup again
> > soon <g>. I'm sure I can exchange the A/D.
>
> *laugh* Ya got me. Best to discuss it with your vet... If the k/d is
> really too low in protein, you could sure bump it up a bit with a/d.
> Just watch the phosphorous, I'd guess, since the a/d isn't designed for
> kidney health. It would be SO nice if there were prescription diets
> designed specifically for ferrets!!!! If anyone contacts Hill's or the
> other manufacturers about whether they've studied their products in
> ferrets, I hope they'll report what they find here.
>
> And as Shelley points out, those values on the cans are minimums and
> maximums. She has a book giving an average value, which might be more
> accurate. They also have those average values on their web site at:
>
> http://www.prescriptiondiet.com/pdproductinfo.asp
>
> Just select the product in question... They note where the numbers are
> different than they are given on the labels. For k/d they do have it all
> calculated on a dry matter basis.
>
> Whew, tired now...
>
> Congrats on Champ's fourth b-day, btw!
>
> -Pam S.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 19:27:50 -0000
> From: "Katie" <kctom@w...>
> Subject: necropsy results
>
> how long does it usually take to get results back from a necropsy?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:37:32 EDT
> From: FURBALL109@A...
> Subject: Rabies Vaccine
>
> Hello;
>
> I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I would like to
ask
> it again.
>
> The question is concerning the rabies vaccine that we, as ferret owners,
give
> our babies.
>
> Has anyone as of yet, or plan to in the future , to do a study as to how
> often we have to have our little ones vaccinated or if the vaccine builds
up
> in their systems. Why is there not a vaccine that can be given only every
> two or three years, like the vaccine that there is for cats?
>
> I realize that the little ones need this vaccine. But isn't anyone
concerned
> that we could be overdosing them with too much vaccine?
>
> I have put this question to several vets and too a few shelter operators,
no
> one can come up with an answer for me. Is there anyone that can give me
an
> answer.
>
> Thank You
> Donna Clark
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:14:09 -0400
> From: "TANSY" <Tansy@p...>
> Subject: Urgent Breeding Question
>
> I have an urgent question for any breeders and or vets out there.
>
> I have a jill who was breed starting March 20 to ::we think:: the 26th or
> 27th. Unfortunately, the last date of mating was not recorded, something I
> usually do.
>
> The jill was in full season when they started, and they were mating from
day
> 1.
>
> That made her due date May 1. Came and went, no kits. Since last Wed she
has
> had some very minor spotting of old blood. She had an ultrasound last
night
> and their is at least one kit, who seemed to be moving.
>
> Here's my quandry...always before my jills have delivered exactly 6 weeks
> from their first date of mating. I don't know if I should give her
oxytocin
> today, or wait until Monday.
>
> My only real concern is with her health. I don't want to lose the kit{s}
if
> I can help it, but that's NOT that important to me...
>
> She has had a litter before, and falsed once before. Was taken out other
> heats. She's 3.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated....and yes I know an emergency c=section may be
in
> the works.
>
> Thanks!
> tansy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:21:13 EDT
> From: Outlaw50@a...
> Subject: For Dr. Burgess, Dr. Murray & other vets re: interpretation of
test results
>
> In a message dated 5/5/01 12:02:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Ferret-Health-list@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> <> Also realize that a general blood profile should be run prior to any
> > adrenal surgery, both to determine anesthetic safety and also because
> > over half of my adrenal cases have other significant disease such as
> > insulinomas or inflammatory bowl disease. Key tests to run include
> > glucose (fasting for 4 hours prior), ALT, GGT, Lipase, Globulin, BUN,
> > Albumin and CBC. These can detect a lot of previously unsuspected
> > disease if one knows how to interpret them.>
>
> I found the above post extremely interesting. As Dr. Murray knows, I have
> ferrets with Aleutian Disease. I took in 3 new ADV positive ferrets in
the
> last year and recently had blood tests done on 2 of them. I also had a
new
> test done on White Russian. Below are the abnormal results. Some of them
I
> understand, but not all of them. Can you help?
>
> #1 #2
> #3
>
> TP 6.8 8.6
> 7.5
> Glob 4.2 5.9
> 4.6
> GGT 17 12
> 13
> Lymphocytes 50% WBC
> 54% WBC
> Gluc 98 98
> 100
> Alb 2.6 2.7
> 2.9
> Eosinophil High
>
> White Russian was found to have a moderate amount of fluid in his chest
> cavity. We've started him on Lasix. He has to have surgery in 2 weeks to
> remove an infected tooth. I have spoken with Dr. Williams and am aware of
> the additional "dangers" with Russian's surgery. Since then, I've heard
that
> Vitamin K injections might help prevent potential clotting problems. Is
this
> something I should have done? I was astonished to find that Russian has
> significant periodontal disease as I've had his teeth scraped twice a
year.
> Fox's book says it can be caused by immunosuppression, which I've read
> Aleutian disease can do with regard to other diseases. Would this
suggest
> that Russian's Aleutian disease is causing this? I haven't heard of any
> other cases of periodontal disease in ferrets with Aleutian disease. Does
it
> suggest anything about the progression of the disease? Also, ferrets #1
and
> #2 did not have elevated GGT 6 months ago, nor did they have 50% & 54%
> lymphocytes. I tested ferret #2's blood because I found high levels of
> bilirubin in his urine using test strips, as well as moderate amounts of
> protein. Ferret #2's TP and glob were quite a bit lower 6 months ago,
also,
> although they did indicate possible Aleutian disease even then (7.4 and
4.5,
> respectively). Also, 6 months ago, ferret #2 had a high monocyte count
(of
> 7).
>
> Thank you.
>
> Judy
> Please give to Aleutian Disease research...the ferret you save may be your
> own!
> http://www.geocities.com/russiansmom/index.html
>
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:33:07 EDT
> From: toucanvet@a...
> Subject: Re: Adrenal Tumor Study
>
> Dear Listers;
>
> I have a dilemma. I have had at least 4 cases in the last 6 months of
> adrenal tumors in ferrets that have been read out at biopsy as a different
> type of cancer than is normally seen in ferret adrenal glands. The
pathology
> service at our hospital would like to do special staining techniques on
these
> tumors so we can study them more and potentially understand more about
ferret
> adrenal disease. Here is the dilemma,
> the staining is only done at Davis, CA and they charge a fee for each
> sample. The hospital does not currently have any research funds set aside
> for ferret tumor studies, mostly because we spent a large amount on a
Lupron
> study, 3 years ago.
>
> So, does anyone know of a source for funding for ferret research?
> We are looking for about $ 500. This study would not involve harming any
> ferrets in any way. We are simply looking for money to send some biopsy
> samples to a special lab in California for special staining techniques.
>
> Thanks for your time. and happy ferreting !!! :)
>
>
>
> Benjamin A. Otten, DVM
> Avian & Exotic Pet Medicine
> The Animal Medical Center
> 510 East 62nd St NY, NY 10021
> (212) 329-8714
> ben.otten@a...
>
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:54:12 +0000
> From: "Karen Purcell, DVM" <drkaren@w...>
> Subject: Re: Urgent Breeding Question
>
> Tansy,
>
> You wrote:
> > I have an urgent question for any breeders and or vets out there.
> >
> > I have a jill who was breed starting March 20 to ::we think:: the 26th
or
> > 27th. Unfortunately, the last date of mating was not recorded, something
I
> > usually do.
> >
> > The jill was in full season when they started, and they were mating from
day
> > 1.
> >
> > That made her due date May 1. Came and went, no kits. Since last Wed she
has
> > had some very minor spotting of old blood. She had an ultrasound last
night
> > and their is at least one kit, who seemed to be moving.
> >
> > Here's my quandry...always before my jills have delivered exactly 6
weeks
> > from their first date of mating. I don't know if I should give her
oxytocin
> > today, or wait until Monday.
> >
> > My only real concern is with her health. I don't want to lose the kit{s}
if
> > I can help it, but that's NOT that important to me...
> >
> > She has had a litter before, and falsed once before. Was taken out other
> > heats. She's 3.
> >
> > Any thoughts appreciated....and yes I know an emergency c=section may be
in
> > the works.
>
> Most late pregnancies need C-sections - oxytocin will not help in
> many cases. I'd certainly get this girl to a vet ASAP.
>
> -Dr. Karen
> DISCLAIMER:
> This e-mail is provided for general informational purposes only. It is in
> no way intended as a replacement for a consultation with a qualified
> licensed veterinarian. If you are concerned about your pet's health, you
> should seek the advice of your regular veterinarian as soon as possible.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:54:13 +0000
> From: "Karen Purcell, DVM" <drkaren@w...>
> Subject: Re:Rabies Vaccine
>
> Donna,
>
> You wrote:
> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I would like to
ask
> > it again.
> >
> > The question is concerning the rabies vaccine that we, as ferret owners,
give
> > our babies.
> >
> > Has anyone as of yet, or plan to in the future , to do a study as to how
> > often we have to have our little ones vaccinated or if the vaccine
builds up
> > in their systems. Why is there not a vaccine that can be given only
every
> > two or three years, like the vaccine that there is for cats?
> >
> > I realize that the little ones need this vaccine. But isn't anyone
concerned
> > that we could be overdosing them with too much vaccine?
> >
> > I have put this question to several vets and too a few shelter
operators, no
> > one can come up with an answer for me. Is there anyone that can give me
an
> > answer.
>
>
> This has been answered thoroughly on this list before, but I'll
> try to give you the scoop. The Imrab rabies vaccine has only been
> approved for use as a one year vaccine by the government powers that
> be. The tests involved are very expensive, and it is up to the
> manufacturer to complete testing to prove that the vaccine is good
> for a longer period of time. Frankly, Merck can sell more vaccine if
> given yearly, so they are unlikely to do the work for the further
> approval.
> So, what we need for approval is a long term study that shows
> appropriately protective titers against rabies. This will involve a
> fairly large number of ferrets receiving the vaccine, then being
> exposed to active rabies virus each year to determine length of
> protection. This will take money, time, and ferret lives.
> Is there a possibility we are overdosing our ferrets with vaccine?
> Yes. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do about it out in the
> real world.
> Just my pessimistic view on the situation (I do see allergic
> reactions to rabies as well).
>
> -Dr. Karen
> DISCLAIMER:
> This e-mail is provided for general informational purposes only. It is in
> no way intended as a replacement for a consultation with a qualified
> licensed veterinarian. If you are concerned about your pet's health, you
> should seek the advice of your regular veterinarian as soon as possible.
>
>
>
>
>
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