From: 
Stephanie 
Date: 2001-09-07 15:57:00 UTC
Subject: [Ferret-Health-list] Re: ECE?
             Hi All,
                   
                  Well, it's looking like it is ECE as Shasta has now come down 
                  with it. So, my question now is, is Flagyl good for this? 
                  Since my vet started Bullwinkle on the Flagyl it has been a 
                  real struggle to give it to him. He foams at the mouth, bites 
                  and cries. Last night I just couldn't bear to force it on him, 
                  so he didn't get it. He hates the Amoxy, but doesn't react in 
                  such a severe way.
                   
                  Finally, my 7+ year old Maggie has not shown any signs yet. 
                  She has come in contact with the play area and had sniffed 
                  through the bars at the others. How long before we would know 
                  if she has caught it? We have her separated in the back 
                  portion of the house, and so far she and her poops look great. 
                  Do MF ferrets get exposed to ECE as kits or something? Maggie 
                  is a MF while Bullwinkle and Shasta are not. If she doesn't 
                  come down with it, should we keep her separated for 6 months 
                  or at this point, since we are all in the same house, figure 
                  that she had been exposed while a kit?
                   
                  Thanks for all the help,
                  Stephanie
                  with Maggie, Bullwinkle, Shasta, Apollo and Caliccio
                  missing with all my heart Icabod and Emeline 
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Mike Janke [mailto:mjanke@miamiferret.org]
                    Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:37 PM
                    To: Ferret-Health-list@yahoogroups.com
                    I would say that the shelter should know whether they are 
                    ECE free or 
                    not.  Ferrets can be carriers of ECE for six months, perhaps 
                    as long 
                    as a year.  They can look (and be) healthy and still be 
                    carrying the 
                    virus and the ability to pass it on.
                    "New ferret + 48 hours + current ferrets get diarrhea" 
                    usually means 
                    ECE, but it's entirely possible it's just a coincidence and 
                    the 
                    timing is such that it just sounds like an ECE infection.
                    mike
                    --- In Ferret-Health-list@y..., "Stephanie" wrote:
                    > Thanks Mike,
                    > 
                    > I just spoke with the shelter that I adopted from and they 
                    have not 
                    had ECE.
                    > They had these guys a while before I got them and none of 
                    their 
                    other
                    > fuzzies are showing any symptoms, nor are the two that I 
                    brought 
                    home. I
                    > have separated my 7+ ferret Maggie to the back portion of 
                    the 
                    house. She has
                    > not been in contact with anybody, but has roamed in the 
                    same areas 
                    that they
                    > play in. I realize that even being separated, it is pretty 
                    sure she 
                    will get
                    > it also. I did notice the smell, but thought it was spray 
                    since 
                    Bullwinkle
                    > is not de-scented and it smelled exactly like that. My vet 
                    wanted 
                    to start
                    > with this regimen and has us keeping an eye on them.
                    > 
                    > Is it possible that only my guys are reacting to this when 
                    the 
                    other shelter
                    > ferrets are fine?
                    > 
                    > Thanks for the help,
                    > Stephanie
                    > 
                    >  -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Mike Janke [mailto:mjanke@m...]
                    > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:15 PM
                    > To: Ferret-Health-list@y...
                    > Subject: [Ferret-Health-list] Re: ECE?
                    > 
                    > 
                    >   Explosive diarrhea 48 hours after the introduction of 
                    new ferrets
                    >   sounds like classic ECE symptoms.  There is no test for 
                    it, though
                    >   there is a researcher out there that can examine a stool 
                    sample 
                    and
                    >   determine if the virus is present.  Only Dr. Williams 
                    would be 
                    able
                    >   to tell if you if this could be done and where to send a 
                    sample.  
                    I
                    >   don't think you need that level of diagnosis to know 
                    what you 
                    have.
                    > 
                    >   If your vet has ruled out all other possibilities, then 
                    it's a 
                    pretty
                    >   sure bet it's ECE.  In that case, be prepared for an 
                    extended 
                    period
                    >   of supportive care for Bullwinkle.  Even if he's willing 
                    to eat 
                    his
                    >   kibble, he should be on a bland, easily digestible diet 
                    for now.
                    > 
                    >   ECE poop does not always look the same from every 
                    ferret.  
                    Sometimes
                    >   it's bright green, but just as often it can be yellowish 
                    and 
                    bubbly,
                    >   liquid and slightly green or mostly mucus.  There are 
                    probably 
                    other
                    >   variations too.  The odor is usually really, really 
                    nasty.
                    > 
                    >   mike
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