From:
williamsdvm@comcast.net
Date: 2002-09-25 02:21:53 UTC
Subject: slow heart rate
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
Message-ID: <9983934.1033003850211.JavaMail.root@scandium>
Dear Renee and everybody else:
As I say time and time again - high lymphocytes on a CBC has nothing to do with lymphoma and generally is the result of chronic smoldering infection, usually in the GI tract. Ferrets get Helcibocater, ECE, and IBD, all of which can cause this finding. Good for you REnee, bfor taking the time to work this case up appropriately.
with kindest regards,
Bruce Williams, DVM
Author wrote:
> We did a biopsy on two of Zoes Lymphnodes last Thursday, one behind the leg and one on her neck. They were both fat!!!!!! She did two nodes because they were so enlarged, all the one had was fat around it she didnt think that was right, so she did another one. And again, Fat!! She said the node itself was very tiny. We thought that we were dealing with lymphoma since her lymphocytes were really high as well. Thanks to Dr Williams and Mike Janke I decided to do the biopsy to prove this true before i did anything for it. I just have a fat little girl :) Thanks everyone for the suggestions as to what I should do for her.
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From: ssiu@cgl.uwaterloo.ca
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apologies for the cross post, but hoping some one has encounter this
before.
my ferret Sand went in for surgery last wed to remove a mass in his
abdomen. ultrasound a year ago shows a cyst on his kidney which is now
attached to the mass. maybe slow growing mass. has inflammatory fluid
in it.
after Sand was given pre-med and anesthesized, his heart rate slowed
(it was 36 for a few secs) and he did not respond to glyco (sp?)
initially but did when they try atropin (sp?), so they deemed it was
too dangerous for surgery and brought him back.
yesterday he went in for electrocardiographs and radiographs to see if
it is heart problems, no premeds were given and 40 minutes after he was
under, his heart rate start to drop, this time he responded to glyco
and his heart rate never dropped below 150. his radiographs and ecg
are completely normal. the cardiologist doesn't think it is a heart
problem, although a cardio-ultrasound can be used to rule it out
completely.
another possibility is that he is just hyper sensitive to drugs. if
he goes for surgery again then they will use sevofluorine and monitor
him with a ecg machine, no pre-meds andtake other precautions as
well. Sand in the past not only had vaccine reaction to canine
distember (Fervac), but to rabies as well.
I'm hoping some one has encounter similar things and can relate their
experience, if there are other suggestions as well. I think he
will need he surgery, but I'm really feeling paranoid.
thank you for your time.
// ************************************************
// Selina, Birch, Dief, Sprite, Sand and Bear
// missing Storm
// http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~ssiu
my ferret Sand went in for surgery last wed to remove a mass in his
abdomen, but after he was anesthesize his heart rate dropped, and meds
didn't bring it up, so they deem it was too risky for surgery and
brought him back out again. today he got ecg and radiographos to
determine if it might be a heart problem, and this time no pre-meds in
case those were the cause. he was under about 40 minutes, long enough
to do all the tests before his heart rate dropped. his tests are all
normal. this time he responded to meds to bring his heart rate up. my
vet is going to discuss things with a cardiologist and an
anesthesiologist, but just wondering if the vets here had dealt
with similar problems and had suggestions I can mention to my vet.
also wondering if it is too dangerous for him to have surgery,
are abdomenal masses generally benign?
// ************************************************
// Selina, Birch, Dief, Sprite, Sand and Bear
// missing Storm
// http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~ssiu