From:
"Sue Liszewski"
Date: 2003-11-08 20:06:54 UTC
Subject: Back from the Vet
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
Message-ID: <Law12-F89bAzV4B2WnB0001d9dd@hotmail.com>
Don't try so hard at monitoring the blood glucoses, stress causes the
glucose to elevate by itself. If you want to monitor it is great just not
so often. You could also use urine testing to help monitor. The goal is to
manage the clinical signs and keep them from getting the ketones in their
syatem, not to have a perfect blood sugar level, but a ferret (or which ever
animal you own) to have good quality in his life. Diet is improtant and
there are 2 views out there, either low fat high fiber or low carbs with
good quality protein. Also if you have trouble regulating then you need to
adjust the feeding schedule, a set amount of food at specific times each
day, free choice feedings can trhow you curve balls. Also you want a curve
where you are not spiking really high then low because this is hard on the
body. I agree you probably need more insulin. I have only worked with one
ferret with diabetes he was insulinomic forever then went diabetic. I did
not treat him immediately I weaned him off the pred and waited to see what
he did. When I did treat him I used diluted Ultralente it has a longer
action then NPH which could also contribute to your problem, the ferret
metabolism is pretty high so I would imagine it works out of his system
quicker. I started on 1/2 unit of insulin then up slowly to 2-3 units and
eventually back off. The ferret ended up dying from an tumor in the capsule
of the kidney. I would like to see you watch him and see how he is acting
and modifying his diet a bit. Discuss the options with your vet. I think
for a ferret a low carb higher protein diet is the way to go. I haven't
treated many ferrets but I wourk a lot off of how I treat others and how
each system varies. I hope this helps a little and I am sure there may be
other opinions, some may disagree too, but this is the approach I really
like. Good Luck and I really hope this helps some.
Dr. Sue
>From: kazpat1@juno.com
>Reply-To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
>To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ferrethealth] RE: questions for those with diabetic ferret
>Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:57:36 GMT
>
>
>Thank you, I am using the diluted NPH insulin. What happens when I go up
>in small increases, he is pretty good for a few days, then spikes back up
>again. It may have to do when I check him in relation to when he ate
>though. This morning he was 125 after giving him 0.6units last pm, so I
>don't want to go to 2 units at this time, but my vet is checking him weekly
>and I have a log of all the blood sugar numbers. What I think may work is
>the every 8 hour dosing, although I really can't always be home from work
>in time., If anyone has any experience with ultralente, or PZI I would
>appreciate that input as well.
> Thank you again,
> Patty
>
>I feel food is very important! While Oscar was on the Chicken Gravy, his
>bg was in the <300 range on the 1.0 unit dose of insulin, but once he
>started eating kibble again, it jumped to 446 in just one reading. Looking
>back, that is when we started to increase his insulin until it reached the
>3.5 units in one dose and we went to the 8 hour dosing.
>
>Julie
>
>
>
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To: "Clubmedferrets" <clubmedferrets@yahoogroups.com>,
ferrethealth@smartgroups.com, "FML" <ferret-list@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
From: Anna Walker <amwalker@aceinter.net>
Cc: "Julie" <julie_fossa@yahoo.com>, "Mary" <sirk6@email.msn.com>,
"Sandi" <Fuzzyslave@aol.com>, "Randy" <magick@eol.ca>,
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"hildy" <hildy@ferretware.com>, "kat" <ferretlover97@yahoo.com>,
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Sebastain -is blind in his right eye and almost blind in his left he has to
turn his head to be able to see from the side of his eye:(. And he has a
small infected gland in his eye lid that we are going to do warm compresses
with and keep an eye on him as well.
Minnie -we are going to kep an eye on her he dos't want to do surgery the
case's he's seen before weren't good he is more uped to doing meds. he gave
me some stuff that when she has a spell give her some and 1/2 of the meds
she is on and a little baby food and were just go from there her time with
Insulinoma is questionable:(. we may do ultra sounds to see what we can see
I will talk to XXX then again to YYY if he would like to come down and
watch it. BG test was 89 her soft poops he said could be from the rich baby
food and stress. (it will be soft then reg.)
Darla -she's a nut case just an ol mean deaf girl that runs side ways he
said hes seen ferrets do it before so she is just odd:0.
[Moderator's note: Please, remember the rules and do not mention veterinary
physicians or hospitals by name when discussing treatments.
Also, Anna, please, say what meds are being given and the mg, milligram,
levels rather than the ml or cc volumes which tell nothing about the dose level.
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