From:
amandadegraw@hotmail.com
Date: 2004-12-02 21:56:30 UTC
Subject: RE: Melatonin Implants vs Lupron and Timmys Tonic
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
Message-ID: <878972.1102024590790.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com>
According the the FerretStore.com, which sells Timmy's Orignal Tonic and Red Clover COmbination (another herbal remedey for cancer), both of these herbal tonics contain licorice root. It is also stated on the Timmy's Tonic website that licorice root is in the tonic. Check it out http://www.concentric.net/~Gferret/latest_recipe.html
According to http://www.caromont.org/12727.cfm, "Licorice root contains glycyrrhizin, a substance that can cause fluid retention, increased blood pressure, and loss of potassium, when taken in large amounts, or in moderate amounts for two weeks or more. To prevent this effect, some manufacturers remove glycyrrhizin from the licorice root, to produce a licorice-related product called deglycyrrhizinated licorice, or DGL" Just thought I would pass on the info.
I guess I would try and contact that guy tat makes Timmy's Tonic and find out if he uses deglycyrrhizinated licorice. Otherwise, I wouldn't use it.
Author wrote:
> Lupron is stronger than melatonin, but they act in different ways so using them together is best.
> The melatonin question in relation to those 4 ferrets simply does not make sense for melatonin. There is a huge body of research on melatonin in ferrets, plus ferrets bodies also always make it themselves in response to complete darkness just as our bodies do, and there are many, many people who have used melatonin. The description could be from the melatonin having have a serious manufacturing error, or being tampered with, or having some other added med in it which is risky -- remember that one poster encountered a combo med version and knew better than to try it. Alternatively, the ferrets may have gotten into something dangerous without the person's knowledge. It just does NOT fit for melatonin.
> Look to see if Timmy's Tonic still contains licorice root. It might not, though it once did form posted ingredients lists. Natural licorice carries a well documented cardiovascular risk for problems with rhythm, heart pressure, formation of thromboses (which are sometimes mistakenly called "strokes", etc. so use anything with that substance in it with caution and moderation if you use it at all.
> > I started using it when my vet said Harry was showing extreme signs of >lymphoma. He has since been very healthy - on the tonic.
> What signs? Lymphoma can be diagnosed ONLY through pathology work done on aspirates (which have a decent chance of being wrong in either direction) or preferably by biopsy of an affect node or affected tissue. Blood work does NOT diagnose lymphoma/lymphosarcoma because an infection can cause the same increases in white counts in ferrets.