From:
"Sue Liszewski"
Date: 2005-06-04 08:36:40 UTC
Subject: Re: [ferrethealth] RE: Helicobacter treatment..how long before I notice a
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
change?
Message-ID: <BAY104-F18547E5BD075610FFB26F3DCF90@phx.gbl>
You talk a lot about blood tests and urine but no mention of x rays?
Aspirites in my opinion are not very diagnostic. I would also consider the
barium route if for nothing else then to coat. I would recheck a blood
glucose. This should be able to be done simpley without stress, and would
recheck a urine. IF he is not on pred and his appetite is so high I would
suspect the possibility of diabetes. Personally it might be worth an
exploratory too, since they can take biosies, but also see what his adrenals
are doing. You may be surprised at what can be found.
I NEVER say it is something and only something since you need to look at the
big picture.
For treatment of ulcers, I go with what Dr. Murray, Dr. Williams, and Dr.
Ruth all use and that is Biaxin, Amoxi, and Carafate, but if he is
lethargic, weak not moving around much I don't believe it is ulcers only.
And I also find in some cases the ulcers are secondary to either a furball,
stress, and longtern heliobactor can lead to certain types of cancer. I
have had cases of hepatocellular carcinoma and gastric carcinoma, so I think
it would behoove you to have something done. Best of luck to you and your
little one.
Dr. Sue
>From: autumn_whispers2me <autumn_whispers2me@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
>To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ferrethealth] RE: Helicobacter treatment..how long before I
>notice a change?
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Thanks, Dr. Sue. Poor Boo-Boo went the full gamot of tests initially.
>They did
>several blood tests (the lab messed up a couple of times and they had to
>repeat),
>fine needle aspirates (twice) for his lymph glands, stool sample, urine...
>His labs
>were initially WAY out of whack, but at the end everything was pretty much
>okay.
>
>Initially (back in late NOV/early DEC) he'd lost a lot of weight and was
>skin and
>bones. He panicked at the vet's office when they gave him a few licks of
>Nutra-
>Cal---dooked (not in happiness, I assure you) and clawed frantically and
>violently at
>his mouth. This is what convinced them he had ulcers. They could never
>find
>anything else wrong though. And those initial whacky blood test results
>even
>showed his blood sugar to be extremely elevated, and there were all sorts
>of
>indications that he may have liver disease, kidney disease.... but they
>kept
>repeating the labs to make sure---and it was fine in the end.
>
>His belly and legs get completely soaked when he pees because we have wood
>floors (he flatly refuses to use a litterbox lol) and the pee hits his
>feet, which slide to
>the sides and makes him lay in it. I have to clean him up pretty
>thoroughly after he
>goes when he's out of the cage (which has litter in the bottom for him and
>the
>others that don't like using a litterbox).
>
>I guess what I'm saying is that the one thing he's really enthusiastic
>about is eating.
>I feel so bad when I only give him 3 tbsp of chicken gravy----because he
>would eat
>nearly the whole little bowl if I let him. I do give in sometimes (about
>once or twice
>a week) and let him eat until he stops. But I don't do that often because
>he really is
>fat and has a hard time climbing through the funnels tube leading from the
>main
>cage deck to the litter area at the bottom. I worry at night when they're
>all in the
>cage that he'll get stuck in the bottom where there's no food or water.
>He's still
>'just' small enough to squeeze through there.
>
>I've rambled on, and I apologize for that. I guess I don't know what to
>think at this
>point since they did so many tests on him back in nov/dec and determined
>finally
>that it was ulcers and only ulcers.
>
>So worrisome. Not sure what to do.
>
>
>
>
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