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From: xxxxxxx
Date: 2005-06-15 01:24:27 UTC
Subject: ADV Update - Part 6
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
Message-ID: <opssjenufhtu7k82@blackbeauty.hsd1.mi.comcast.net>

In a 11 ferret household, with stress from rescues coming in, we usually
see this quite often (meaning, every few days we might see one of these in
a box). In fact I just saw one today!!! I inspected it carefully, too.
Seedy.

ECE can only be diagnosed by symptoms, unless a piece of intestine is
taken for testing (which, as you can imagine...can't be done on a live
ferret...or can it? I am not sure exactly how big the section has to be).

Now, you will know if this turns out to be ECE. ECE can have very brightly
green colored poops associated with it; as well as mucousy poops (due to
what ECE does...causes overproduction of mucous, so nothing is getting
absorbed into the body. Hence the starvation/dehydration). Scruff the
ferret to test for dehydration; go to the vet and have them check as well.

The thing to remember: stress can cause this too! Stress...we had 6
ferrets here , rescues and regulars, and they never had mucousy poops.
Then we ended up buying 3 kits at a time (turned out to be 4 in the end)
and they ALL had this. I went through the same worry - and did not believe
my vet at first that they didn't have it. He said they were all just
stressed out. Having this never happen before with six ferrets before
them, I was STILL worried.

Take your ferret to the vet and see what they think; have them weigh your
buddy. They will probably give you an antibiotic such as amoxi or
clavamox, to help with any infection there could be, just as a precaution.

Mine didn't get over their stress poop problem for a month. It COULD have
been a small form of ECE; but, none of my other ferrets contracted it,
which still doesn't mean anything, according to some vets. If it had been
ECE, I'm sure some of my older ferrets would have contracted it. ECE can
be gotten over by certain age groups better than others.

Hope this helps.

xxxxxxx

On 17 Jun 2005 17:16:58 -0000, <ferrethealth-digest-help@smartgroups.com>
wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:19:49 +0100 (BST)
> To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com
> From: klcwilliams@hotmail.com
> Subject: Green Birdseedy Poop
> Message-ID: <60816.1118935189994.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com>
> My five year old male has suddenly developed green slimy diarrhea that
> has some "birdseed"
> appearance to it. This development happened within 24 hours of
> introducing a new kit to the
> household that we bought at a pet store (from Marshall farms). After
> doing all the research on ECE,
> my ferret shows most of the symptoms EXCEPT for the fact that the
> diarrhea does not have any odor
> whatsoever. Also, while he is more lethargic and doesn't want to eat, he
> is still doing some re-
> arranging
> of his toys and trotting about with strong legs. I have two questions:
> 1) how indicative is the odor in diagnosing ECE? and
> 2) what other causes can there be for green birdseedy poop??
> I would be grateful for any input.

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Permission to cross post the following information to other lists is
granted, as long as the post is taken in it entirety, with out any
changes or additions.

Now that most of the preliminary steps in the ADV research program have
been completed, how will the research proceed? Naturally, what we all
want to see is a vaccine that will protect our beloved ferrets from this
disease.

As I mentioned in an earlier part of this series, while not an
impossible task, making a vaccine for ADV will not be easy. While most
vaccines are made by creating antibodies for the disease they are
targeting, with ADV this will not work, because the antibodies for ADV
do not fight the virus. In fact, it is the antibodies that cause most
of the damage to the ferret's organs. So, we do not want to inject
ferrets with ADV antibodies that are produced naturally.

As little as 10 years ago, it was thought that there could never be a
vaccine for a disease like ADV. With newer technologies and increased
understanding of DNA, things we once believed were impossible are now
possible. But, they are also very expensive. One of the things I have
heard mentioned is producing a vaccine using recombinant DNA technology.
To be honest, I have very little understanding of exactly what this
is, but I do know it is very expensive.

I have no idea how much it will cost to create a vaccine for ADV, but I
would not be at all surprised if the figure is $500,000.00 or greater.
And, this is very likely a lot more then ferret lovers can contribute.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to contribute what we can to the
effort. It just means it is time to start looking for corporate donors
and other sources of funding. Large retail businesses, like PetCo and
PETsMART are good places to start in looking for corporate donors.
Additionally, the major ferret farms, like Path Valley, Triple F and
Marshall Farms have a lot to gain if a vaccine for ADV can be made, and
so they might be convinced to provide some funds too.

So far, the large majority of the funds that have been used at UGA in
the ADV research project have been donations from members of the ferret
community. To date, there have not been any formal grants applied for,
and no grant money received. There was an informal grant application
submitted to the AFA Pamela Slack Memorial Fund, and several thousand
dollars was awarded to UGA from that fund. Money was also given to the
project from another UGA fund, because the University recognized that
the work the team was doing was beneficial, and was also of interest to
the public (the ferret community).

There are both advantages and disadvantages to grant money. The process
of preparing a grant application is a long and tedious task, and takes
away from actual research time. It requires a lot of administrative
work, and as a result, it is a standard practice at Universities for the
Administration of the University to collect as much as 50% of the funds
awarded. That means if the ADV research project received a grant for
$100,000.00, they would actually only get $50,000.00 to use for the
research. The other $50,000.00 would go to pay the salaries of
secretaries and administrators of the University, for maintenance of
buildings, and for utilities and similar items.

So, the disadvantage to grants is that only half the money received
actually goes to the research. The advantage to the grant process is
that there is an action plan spelled out in great detail, and there are
usually milestones during the project where progress on the project is
measured. This can be good, because you can review how the money is
being spent, and also be certain that things are moving in the right
direction. But, this again can take a lot of time and effort away from
the actual research.

Still, it might be that the only way that enough money can be raised to
actually begin work on the vaccine is through grant applications. And,
of course, to apply for a grant there has to first be a fund that awards
money for the type of research that is being pursued.

Before the team at UGA can apply for a grant, they have to find one that
will fund this type of research. They have to go through the process of
putting the application together, and having it reviewed, and finally
hope that they are awarded the grant. They are unlikely to go to the
time and trouble to do all of this unless they feel that the public (the
ferret community) really wants a vaccine for ADV. And, one of the best
ways we can let them know we still want this is through our continuing
donations to ADV research.

Although colleges and universities are qualifying exempt organizations
and considered to be non-profit, they do try to raise a great deal of
money through donations to try to keep tuition costs down and to be able
to attract the best professors and researchers with good salaries and
benefits. Universities are very particular about how research money is
spent. They want to fund projects that will not only teach students,
but will also put the university in the spotlight. They want the
projects to be of interest to the public, so the public will donate more
money. They also want the research projects to be attractive to
researchers, again to attract them to the school to do their work. For
a university, donations of money to a project equal public interest in
the work.

We can hope that some of the corporations who make money from the sale
of ferrets and ferret items will also decide that a vaccine for ADV is
important. We might want to start a letter writing campaign, asking
corporations like PetCo and PETsMART to consider making donations to the
UGA ADV research. But the bottom line is, we need to let UGA know that
a vaccine for ADV is both needed and wanted.

Tomorrow I will talk about what happens after a vaccine is developed.
--
Danee
International Ferret Congress Health Issues Coordinator
http://ferretcongress.org
ADV - If your ferret hasn't been tested, you don't know!
For more information visit: http://www.ferretadv.com
You can help fight ADV! Visit:
http://help4adv.terrabox.com/

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