Message Number: SG18178 | New FHL Archives Search
From: sukiec@optonline.net
Date: 2006-09-03 17:32:09 UTC
Subject: [ferrethealth] RE: Bug spray safe for ferrets?
To: ferrethealth@smartgroups.com

For animals we usually recommend that people ask their vets and animal pois=
on control (which does cost). There ARE past posts in both the FML and FHL=
archives, though, which could help you.

Here is the contact info for the animal poison control numbers in the U.S. =
If others want to post the info for other countries doing so may help some=
one else.

ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center's emergency hotline at =

(888) 426-4435 =

Angell Memorial Animal Medical Center Pet Poison Hotline =

1-877-2ANGELL (1-877-226-4355) =


It always pays to keep a hard copy of these numbers in a safe place in case=
your computer can't be used during an emergency. =



IMPORTANT: DON'T LET THE STUFF BELOW SCARE YOU OFF-HAND BUT DO READ WHAT I =
COULD ONLY SKIM TO KNOW IF WHAT IS MENTIONED IS SERIOUS OR NOT. EXCEPT FOR=
THE PREGNANCY ONE WHICH IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THE INGREDIENT YOU MENTION, THE=
SE ARE RESOURCES WHICH CAME UP IN SEARCHES OF RELEVANT INGREDIENT TERMS AND=
FERRET TERMS, BUT THEY ARE NOT ONES THAT I HAVE HAD THE TIME TO READ IN RE=
LATION TO YOUR SPECIFIC PESTICIDE. YOU WILL ALSO WANT TO CHECK ARCHIVES.

In your case you have the added concern of your pregnancy so will WANT to s=
peak with your OB/GYN, and to use a human poison control number (and those =
tend to be free and prominently displayed in phone books). In a recent lar=
ge study of 17 particularly worrisome pesticides for fetal exposures that w=
as done on over 300 hundred in Spain every single one had at least one of t=
hose pesticides in the placenta. In some cases there were 15 of them. The=
average was having 8 of the pesticides present at birth.

A summary from Sept. 1, 2006 can be found at

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=3D19788

START QUOTES

During the gestation period, all the contaminants accumulated in the organi=
sm have direct access to the microenvironment where the embryo/foetus devel=
ops. The doctoral thesis "Maternal-child exposure via the placenta to envir=
onmental chemical substances with hormonal activity", written by Mar?Jos=E9=
L? Espinosa, from the Department of Radiology and Physical Medicine of the=
University of Granada, analyzes the presence of organochlorine pesticides =
-normally used as pesticides- in the organisms of pregnant women. The analy=
sis was developed at San Cecilio University Hospital , in Granada, with 308=
women who had given birth to healthy children between 2000 and 2002. The r=
esults are alarming: 100% of these pregnant women had at least one pesticid=
e in their placenta, but the average rate amounts to eight different kinds =
of chemical substances.

...

The UGR researcher underlines the fact that, in spite of "inadvertent expos=
ure", "it is possible to control pesticide ingestion by means of a proper d=
iet, which should be healthy and balanced, through consumption of food whos=
e chemical content is low. Moreover, daily exercise and the avoidance of to=
bacco (which could also be a source of inadvertent exposure) are very impor=
tant habits which help to control the presence of pesticides in our organis=
ms.

END QUOTES

(Typos in the quote are theirs or from punctuation differences between lang=
uages; it's not your computer or Smartgroups doing that.)

The full study is at the URL given.

Because ferrets are very prone to endocrinological disorders substances whi=
ch can cause hormonal disruption very possibly should be taken seriously. =
Not all pesticides do, of course. I do not know if any of the pyrethroids =
do. =


It is also important to remember that some things which will not poison lar=
ger animals like most dogs will poison ferrets. I recall a horrible few da=
ys when I had to help 3 people in short order get information for poisoned =
ferrets: finding the numbers above for them, helping one look up plant ID =
photos (There are some great places on the web for that now, several of whi=
ch were in a recent resources post and others of which are in the archives.=
), finding manufacturer's product details, etc. Only one of them died, luc=
kily. That one had external parasites and the person used an over the coun=
ter dog flea preparation. The ferret's marrow shut down. Sadly, that is a=
ll to common. Most years I wind up hearing of at least one ferret like tha=
t.

Okay, see:

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/l_cyhalogen.pdf#search=3D%22Lambda-Cyhaloth=
rin%22

Lamda-Cyhalothrin is a pyrethroid, a synthetic pyrethrin. They are stronge=
r that natural pyrethrins but not as safe. Although it doesn't seem to be =
present on the web any longer there was a paper done in NZ to find which of=
these could poison ferrets. Some do. If memory serves that might be in "=
Risk assessment of stoat control methods for New Zealand" Science for Conse=
rvation 237, by John Parks and Elaine Murphy from 2004, but I could easily =
be thinking of the wrong reference. Aha, it is back on line so can be chec=
ked or saved by those who want it in their files:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/Publications/004~Science-and-Research/Science-for-Co=
nservation/PDF/sfc237.pdf
Ah! The NZ mustelid poisoning paper that I recalled with ferret details ma=
y actually be "Literature search for mustelid-specific toxicants" by M.L. W=
ickstron and C.T. Eason who at that time wrote it for Landcare Research, an=
d that is available once again for those who want to study it:
<http://www.doc.govt.nz/Publications/004~Science-and-Research/Science-for-C=
onservation/PDF/Sfc127E.pdf#search=3D%22%22Literature%20search%20for%20must=
elid-specific%20toxicants%22%22>

On the other hand, there are some pyrethroids that were considered so safe =
that they have been used in BFF burrows:
<http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/brd/BasisSimpleSearch.cfm?PTS=3D83279NA.12.0&Show=
=3DLogo,PTS,Title,Keywords,Leaders,Narrative,Product> but I don't know how =
that worked out.

If your vet has _Five-Minute Veterinary Consult Clinical Companion_, Small =
Animal Dermatology by Karen Helton Rhodes, C.H.I.P.S. there is supposed to =
be a relevant section in there on pyrethrins and pyrethroids as well as saf=
ety limitations and toxicity info according to an ad I found for it.

In the EPA's OPP Pesticide Ecotoxicity Database I could not find any result=
s on toxicity for the pesticide you mention and ferrets as well as two othe=
r mustelids, but do not know if that means studies are lacking or if the pr=
oper use was safe.
http://old.ipmcenters.org/Ecotox/DataAccess.cfm

Pubmed did not find any articles on lambda-cyhalothrin and either ferrets o=
r mustela

Spectracide Bugstop DID come up in a search as showing paper on cautions ab=
out some of the labeled "inert" ingredients:
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/reports/inerts/table_of_contents.html

Labeling of pesticides and some gardening compounds is like that of some gr=
ocery items. The industries have gotten terms relaxed, so just as a frozen=
pizza can be called "fresh" if slight changes are made, so, too, can some =
compounds which are NOT chemically inert be called "inert" in some products=
if the manufacturer says that they are not the among the primary active in=
gredients. Until I found the above I didn't know that was still being done=
. It did occur a decade ago. =


I did NOT get a chance to actually read the resource to see if what was men=
tioned is serious or not.

It looks like letting it dry would be essential. Here is some INGESTION da=
ta of what is said to be a very similar compound, so similar that its resul=
ts are used for implications about this pyrethroid BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW RE=
PUTABLE THIS SOURCE IS:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/tri.fluorinepest.jan12.1994.htm

START QUOTE

Cyhalothrin

Cyhalothrin (FIFRA AI) (Ref. 3). Cyhalothrin administered orally (in capsul=
es) to dogs at 10 mg/kg/day for 26 weeks produced occasional disturbances o=
f the nervous system (unsteadiness and/or muscular trembling). The NOEL for=
these effects was not defined. In a 1-year dog study, ataxia, muscle tremo=
rs, and convulsions were observed following oral administration at 3.5 mg/k=
g/day. Abnormal gait and convulsions were observed at 0.5 mg/kg/day. The LO=
EL of the study was 0.5 mg/kg/day and the NOEL was 0.1 mg/kg/day. EPA belie=
ves that there is sufficient evidence for listing cyhalothrin on EPCRA sect=
ion 313 pursuant to EPCRA section 313(d)(2)(B) based on the available neuro=
logical toxicity data.

END QUOTE

Usually, the advice for ferrets is to stick to natural pyrethrins, and not =
over-do them, but I DO know that in either the FHL or FML archives or both =
that people have discussed some stronger pesticides needed for bedbugs, inc=
luding some pyrethroids, and how they managed to tackle that need safely.

Others will know far, far more about pesticides than I do and will understa=
nd the nuances of the sites I found better than i do!

-- Sukie (not a vet, and not speaking for any of the below in my private po=
sts)
Recommended health resources to help ferrets and the people who love them:
Ferret Health List
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ferrethealth
FHL Archives
http://ferrethealth.org/archive/
AFIP Ferret Pathology
http://www.afip.org/ferrets/index.html
Miamiferrets
http://www.miamiferret.org/fhc/
International Ferret Congress Critical References
http://www.ferretcongress.org

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